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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Apur bat eztabaidatzea (jolas edo solas gisa,
besterik ez) axola ez izatea espero dut.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Erdarazko adiera guztiek "esku libreak" esan
nahi dute, eta ez "eskuak libre". "Eskuak libre" balitz, gaztelaniaz (eta
aipatutako erromaniko guztietan), adibidez, "manos-ek" artikulua beharko luke
(euskaraz behar duen bezala, bestalde --esku-ak--) eta "las manos libres" izango
zen.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Nik ingelesez (gauza guztiez bezala) asko ez dakit
(ia ezer ez, inoiz ez baitut ikasi), baina, ingelesezko "free" adjektiboa,
esanahiaren aldetik, berezia dela badakit (agian horregatik
ordena-aldaketa).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bigarren puntuari dagokionez, ez
nago ados </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>zurekin. Deritzona, deritzona
da, eta hori baino ez deritzo; hau da, esku libreak baderitzo, eskulibreak
deritzo, eta ez edozer (esku-lib, E-L,... ). Esan nahi dudana zera da: aldez
aurretik, esku libreak deitu badiogu, horixe deritzola, eta ez beste
ezer.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ea konbentzitzen zaitudan ;-)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=jon-agirre@ej-gv.es
href="mailto:jon-agirre@ej-gv.es">jon-agirre@ej-gv.es</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=itzul@postaria.com
href="mailto:itzul@postaria.com">itzul@postaria.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 10, 2004 4:40
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [itzul] Manos Libres</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Ez, sakoneko egitura
ez da jarri behar azalean, jakina. Baina begira ingelesak, adibide horietatik
egitura latindarra ez daukan bakarrak, ez duela 'free hands' esaten 'hands
free' baizik. Eta esanahiaren aldetik denek esaten dute "eskuak libre" ez
"esku libreak".</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Bestalde, "deritzona"
jarriz gero, edozer jar daiteke komatxo artean, baita '"esku-lib" deritzona'
ere, adibidez. Alegia, hori ez dela "esku libreak" esamoldearen aldeko argudio
bat.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Jon
Agirre</SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 35.4pt"><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
lang=ES style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Mensaje
original-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">De:</SPAN></B> Josemari
Navascués [mailto:aurrerabeti@jmn.jazztel.es] <BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Enviado el:</SPAN></B> miércoles, 10 de noviembre de
2004 16:25<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Para:</SPAN></B>
ItzuL<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Asunto:</SPAN></B> Re: [itzul]
Manos Libres</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 35.4pt"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Nik sakonean ikusten dudan mezua,
testuinguruarekin jokatuta, honako hau da:</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 35.4pt"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Enpresa honek eskaintzen dizkizun
zerbitzuetako bat "esku libreak" deritzona duzu.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 35.4pt"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Erdara guztietan ere auzia bera
da:</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 35.4pt"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Gaztelaniaz, frantsesez edo
ingelesez, zerbitzuen zerrendan ez dute, hurrenez hurren, "(tener) libres las
manos", "(avoir)libres les mains" edo "(have) the hands free"
ipiniko.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; MARGIN-LEFT: 35.4pt"><B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=jon-agirre@ej-gv.es
href="mailto:jon-agirre@ej-gv.es">jon-agirre@ej-gv.es</A>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 35.4pt"><B><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=itzul@postaria.com
href="mailto:itzul@postaria.com">itzul@postaria.com</A>
</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 35.4pt"><B><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
Wednesday, November 10, 2004 4:09 PM</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 35.4pt"><B><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> RE:
[itzul] Manos Libres</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 35.4pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Nire
iritziz, ez da izena+izenondoa egitura, adibidez, etxe handiak edo herri
politak bezala; izena+predikatua egitura dela deritzot. Orain zenbait
denbora esku artean izan genituen "próxima apertura" eta "parada solicitada"
bezalako egitura. Orduan (buruz nabil) 'irekiera hurbila' eta 'geldiadi
eskatua' gisako ordainak kritikatu genituen, eta 'irekiera hurbil' ('laster
irekiko dugu'...) eta "geldialdia eskatuta" ('gelditzeko eskatuta'...)
hobetsi.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 35.4pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Egitura berbera
dela uste dut. Hau da, sakoneko esaldian ez dago, esate baterako, "Aparatu
edo telefono-sistema honek esku libreak utziko dizkizu" "Aparatu edo
telefono-sistema honek eskuak libre utziko dizkizu" baino.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 35.4pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Jon
Agirre</SPAN></FONT></P>
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