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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Txanogorritxok elkarrizketa batean amamari
“ze” esatea bidezkoa da (lagunartekoa edo), euskara batuan onartua beraz, nik
uste.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Jon<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EU style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>Nork:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EU style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
junkal elizalde [mailto:junkal.elizalde@gmail.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Bidaltze-data:</span></b> viernes, 25 de
enero de 2013 12:15<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Nori:</span></b> ItzuL<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Gaia:</span></b> Re: [itzul] Ze etxe! edo Ze
etxea!</span></font><span lang=EU><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Kaixo denoi, berriz ere:<br>
<br>
Hauxe da testuingurua:<br>
<br>
Txanogorritxoren ipuina itzultzen ari gara, eta Txanogorritxok zera esaten dio
"amonari":<br>
<br>
Amona, ze belarri handi/handiak!<br>
Amona, ze aho handi/handia!<br>
<br>
Mugatua erabiliko dugu. Mendebaldean eta ekialdean mugatua erabiltzen dela
dirudi, eta mugagabea lokalismo bat-edo izango litzateke (???). <br>
<br>
Bide batez, Jon eta besteok, kasu horretan ere <i><span style='font-style:italic'>ze</span></i>
ez litzateke onartuko euskara baturako? Haur-literatura da, eta ahozkotasunetik
oso gertu dagoela kontuan hartuta... <br>
Edozein moduz, ez dugu inongo arazorik <i><span style='font-style:italic'>zer</span></i>
jartzeko, baina erregistroa zehazte aldera galdetzen dut. Zein izango litzateke
lagunarteko testu idatzi bat? Elkarri mezuak idazten dizkiogunean baino ezin
dugu <i><span style='font-style:italic'>ze</span></i> erabili batuaz?<br>
<br>
Eskerrik asko,<br>
<br>
Junkal<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>2013/1/25 <<a href="mailto:jon-agirre@ej-gv.es" target="_blank">jon-agirre@ej-gv.es</a>><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Mendebaldean, Zer + adj. + art., hau da, ‘Ze polita!’.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Baina izena sartuz gero, ‘Zelako’: ‘Zelako etxea!’, ‘Zelako etxe
polita!’ </span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Beti artikuluarekin.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Dena dela, kontuan izan euskara batuan ‘ze’ lagunartekoa dela, eta
‘zer’ edo ‘zein’ hobesten direla.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>HB: </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>ze</span></font></b><span lang=EN-GB> <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>2</span></b> 1 <i><span style='font-style:italic'>Lgart.</span></i>
h. <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>ezen</span></b>; <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>zeren</span></b> 2 <i><span style='font-style:italic'>Lgart.</span></i>
h. <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>zer</span></b>; <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>zein</span></b></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EU style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
font-weight:bold'>Nork:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
lang=EU style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> junkal elizalde [mailto:<a
href="mailto:junkal.elizalde@gmail.com" target="_blank">junkal.elizalde@gmail.com</a>]
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Bidaltze-data:</span></b> viernes, 25 de
enero de 2013 9:09<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Nori:</span></b> ItzuL<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Gaia:</span></b> [itzul] Ze etxe! edo Ze
etxea!</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Egun on denoi,<br>
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Nola behar dute euskara batuan harridurazko esaldi horiek?<br>
<br>
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Nafarroa aldean mugatua erabiltzen dugu, Leitzan bai behintzat (ze mina, ze
belarritakoak, ze mozkorra...).<br>
<br>
Gure lankide zumaiar eta zertoarrek, ordea, mugagabea erabiltzen dute (ze min,
ze belarritako, ze mozkor, etab.), eta mugatua oso arrotza egiten zaiela diote.<br>
<br>
Biak dira zuen ustez onargarriak? Dialekto kontua izanen da?<br>
<br>
Eskerrik asko aldez aurretik,<br>
<br>
Junkal<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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