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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>Kostaldeko herri askotan, "montañes" esaten dute: "han egon ziren galleguak, asturianuak eta montañesak". Turtziozi buruzko erreportaje bat behinola aldatu zidaten, "trucense" esaten dioten arkitektura hibridoa aipatu nuen, hainbat lekutan "caserío vasco y casa montañesa" dakar, eta neuk ere euskal-montañes jarrita, "menditar" argitaratu zidaten. <br><br>Horren ordaina "kantabriar" izatea ez da oso zuzena. Egungo "Día de Cantabria"k ere 1967an sortu zuten "Día de la Montaña" du jatorri. Zenbat bertso ez ote ditugun Kantabriari buruz, montañes edo santanderinoekin zerikusirik ez dutenak. Beraz, Kantabria gaur erabiltzekotan eremu administratiborako edo geografia modernorako mugatu beharko litzateke. Baina montañes ez eman dugu "Kantabria" legez, hortik kanpo, 1981 aurreko gaiez ari bagara, esaterako. Hau da, autonomia-estatutua eratu baino lehenagoko kontuez. <br><br><br><br><div><div id="SkyDrivePlaceholder"></div><hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 17:04:44 +0200<br>From: jon-agirre@ej-gv.es<br>To: itzul@postaria.com<br>Subject: Re: [itzul] Cocido montañés<br><br>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;">‘Kantabriako lapikokoa’ edo ‘Kantabriako
mendialdeko lapikokoa’; izan ere, Kantabriaren erreferentzia sartu barik
gure Mendialdearekin (Arabakoarekin) nahas daiteke.</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;">Orotariko Euskal Hiztegian:</span></font></p>
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<li class="ecxMsoNormal" style=""><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;"><a href="http://www.euskaltzaindia.net/index.php?option=com_oeh&Itemid=413&lang=eu&sarrera=monta&view=frontpage&xeh=2" target="_blank">montaña</a></span></font></li>
<li class="ecxMsoNormal" style=""><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;"><a href="http://www.euskaltzaindia.net/index.php?option=com_oeh&Itemid=413&lang=eu&sarrera=monta&view=frontpage&xeh=3" target="_blank">montañar</a></span></font></li>
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<span style="color:000000;"><b><font face="Times" size="1"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Times;font-weight:bold;">montañes.</span></font></b></span><span style="color:000000;"><font face="Times" size="1"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Times;"> </span></font></span><BR>
<font face="Times" size="1"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Times;"><img id="ecx_x0000_i1028" src="cid:image001.gif@01CE360D.168A7310" border="0" height="11" width="8"><b><i><span style="font-weight:bold;font-style:italic;">1.</span></i></b> Montañés. </span></font><img id="ecx_x0000_i1029" src="cid:image002.gif@01CE360D.168A7310" border="0" height="9" width="10"><i><font face="Times" size="1"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Times;font-style:italic;"><span style="color:000000;">Zeren ez naizen kortesanoa, baizik montañesa
</span></span></font></i><span style="color:000000;"><font face="Times" size="1"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Times;"><-eza></span><i><span style="font-style:italic;"><span style="color:000000;">. </span></span></i><span style="color:000000;">(c. 1597). </span><i><span style="font-style:italic;"><span style="color:000000;">FLV</span></span></i><span style="color:000000;"> 1993,
459. </span><i><span style="font-style:italic;"><span style="color:000000;">Montañesak
girela / oro traidoriak</span></span></i><span style="color:000000;">. Bordel
52. </span></font></span><BR>
<font face="Times" size="1"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Times;"><img id="ecx_x0000_i1030" src="http://image001.gif@01CE360D.168A7310" border="0" height="11" width="8"><b><i><span style="font-weight:bold;font-style:italic;">2.</span></i></b> <span style="color:000000;">Montañés,
santanderino. </span></span></font><img id="ecx_x0000_i1031" src="http://image002.gif@01CE360D.168A7310" border="0" height="9" width="10"><i><font face="Times" size="1"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Times;font-style:italic;"></span><span style="color:000000;"><span style="color:000000;">Montañes jendea</span></span></font></i><font face="Times" size="1"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Times;"><span style="color:000000;"> (1794). </span><i><span style="font-style:italic;"><span style="color:000000;">BertsZB</span></span></i><span style="color:000000;"> 158. </span></span></font><img id="ecx_x0000_i1032" src="cid:image003.gif@01CE360D.168A7310" border="0" height="9" width="9"><font face="Times" size="1"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Times;"><span style="color:000000;">"Pescador
venido de Santander, después de haber estado allí durante algún tiempo dedicado
a la pesca" Ort </span><i><span style="font-style:italic;"><span style="color:000000;">Voc</span></span></i><span style="color:000000;"> 141. Cf. </span><i><span style="font-style:italic;"><span style="color:000000;">Arrantz</span></span></i><span style="color:000000;"> 153: "</span><i><span style="font-style:italic;"><span style="color:000000;">Urte guzitan juaten dirade / montañesako kostera</span></span></i><span style="color:000000;">". </span></span></font><BR>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;">Hala ere, ez dakit ‘lapikoko
montañesa’ egitea badagoen, hiztegian adjektiboa barik izena ageri baita;
zure transkripzio haietan bezala, hain zuzen, pertsona izendatzeko. Izatekotan ‘montañesen
lapikokoa’ edo ‘kantabriarren lapikokoa’.</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;">Jon</span></font></p>
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Gorka Azkarate Zubiaur [mailto:gorkaazkarate@gmail.com] <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Bidaltze-data:</span></b> miércoles, 10 de
abril de 2013 15:55<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Nori:</span></b> ItzuL<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Gaia:</span></b> Re: [itzul] Cocido montañés</span></font><span lang="EU"></span></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">wikipedian begiratuta, badirudi</span></font></p>
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<li class="ecxMsoNormal" style="color:#351C75;"><font color="#351c75" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;">kantabriar eta <i><span style="font-style:italic;">montañ</span></i></span></font></li>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal" style=""><i><font color="#351c75" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#351C75;font-style:italic;">esak</span></font></i></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal" style=""><i><font color="#351c75" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#351C75;font-style:italic;">, ez
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<li class="ecxMsoNormal" style="color:#351C75;"><i><font color="#351c75" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-style:italic;">montañés</span></font></i><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;"> termino hori franquismoan
baino</span></font></li>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal" style=""><font color="#000066" face="Georgia" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Georgia;color:#000066;">,</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal" style=""><font color="#351c75" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#351C75;">askoz lehenago sortu z</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal" style=""><font color="#351c75" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#351C75;">ela. (Pereda eta beste
XIX. mendeko egileengan agertzen dela sinesgarri ematen du).</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal" style=""><font color="#000066" face="Georgia" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Georgia;color:#000066;"><a href="http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Monta%C3%B1a" target="_blank">http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Monta%C3%B1a</a><br>
<a href="http://eu.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Monta%C3%B1a" target="_blank">http://eu.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Monta%C3%B1a</a></span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font color="#000066" face="Georgia" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Georgia;color:#000066;">[Gogoratzen dut,
aspaldian, Uribe-Kostako baserritar euskaldunen transkripzioak egiten,
"montañesak" esaten zuten, behin eta berriro. Kantabriar esateko].</span></font></p>
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