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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">2014/02/03 13:12(e)an, Jabier
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Joan den astean azaldu nion gaia Erabakibeharduenari eta esplikatu
nizkion, xehe, nire diskisizio linguistikoak lehian dauden bi
ereduei buruz. Ergel baten kalaka entzuten den bezala entzun eta
gero, Erabakibeharduenak bri-brau ebaki zuen gaia: ‘debeku'
kontzeptua agertzea derrigorra da hor eta, hortaz, kopla gutxi
eredu anglosaxoi ‘bigunekin’.
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<div>Tira, aurreratu dugu zerbait :-)</div>
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<div>Mikel Tabernak bezala, nik ere ulertzen ditut Patxi
Petrirenak ‘Ehiza debekatua’ eta ‘Ehiza debekatuta’ formei
ikusten dizkien arazoak; baina iruditzen zait, testuinguru jakin
horretan, onartzekoak direla eta, laburrago direnez, egokiagoak
direla ‘Debekatuta dago ehiza’ estilokoak baino.</div>
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<div>Bestalde, hariari eman dizkiozuen erantzunei begiratuta,
iruditzen zait gehienek ‘Ehiza debekatuta’ hobesten duzuela
‘Ehiza debekatua’ formaren aldean.</div>
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<div>Hori erabiliko dudala uste dut: ‘Ehiza debekatuta’.</div>
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<div>El 31/01/2014, a les 08:29, Taberna Irazoqui, Miguel
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“debeku/debekatu...” sartzea beharrezkoa dela
uste dut. Eta, Patxik ikusten dituen arazoak
ulertuagatik, iruditzen zait balioko lukeela
"EHIZA DEBEKATUTA" paratuta.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div>
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30 de enero de 2014 19:19<br>
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Asunto:</span></b><span
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[itzul] Prohibido cazar</span></font><o:p></o:p></div>
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style="font-size: 12pt;">Laburra izatea
ondo dago, baina molde horri ukazio-kutsua
(edo errebindikazio-kutsua) hartuko nioke
debeku-esanahiaren aurretik.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style="font-size: 12pt;">Bidesaririk ez /
Erretzerik ez / Arrantzarik ez / Pasatzerik
ez ...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style="font-size: 12pt;">Era horretako mezuak
ez ditut zuzenean lotzen debekuarekin.
Beharbada, beste era bateko mezuak adierazteko
erabili/erabiltzen ditugulako ("Zentral
nuklearrik ez", "Errauskailurik ez",
"Soldadutzarik ez"...). Ez diet ukatzen
debekua adierazteko potentzialitatea, baina,
komunikagarritasunaren aldetik, ez zaizkit
egokienak iruditzen.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div>
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Xabier Aristegieta <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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text-decoration: underline;">allurritza@gmail.com</a>>:<o:p></o:p></span></font></div>
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laburra izan behar du.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div>
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Ehizatzerik ez<o:p></o:p></span></font></div>
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Petrirena Altzuguren<<a
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target="_blank" style="color: blue;
text-decoration: underline;">p.petrirena@elhuyar.com</a>>
igorleak hau idatzi zuen (2014(e)ko urtarrilak
30 16:18):<o:p></o:p></span></font></div>
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style="font-size: 12pt;">Ez dakit eredu
bakarrak balioko duen denetarako.<br>
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Mezu normalak eta egokiak iruditzen
zaizkit "Ez erre", "Ez zaborrik bota" eta
"Ez kartelik jarri", esate baterako, baina
ez zait iruditzen "Ez ehizatu" dioen
kartel batek bete dezakeenik hemen
aipatzen ari garen funtzioa. Ez dakit
esaten zergatik, zehazki. Bi mezu izan
daitezke baliokideak baliabide linguistiko
desberdinak erabilita ere, badakigu, baina
gerta daiteke, era berean, debeku baten
kasuan esplizituki adierazi beharra hori
debeku bat dela (eta ez aholku bat, edo
proposamen bat, edo...).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;">"Ehiza
debekatu(t)a" formulazio eliptikoarekin ere
arazoak ikusten ditut.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div>
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size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">EHIZA
DEBEKATUTA. Ezin dut saihestu moduzko
perpaus bat ikustea, perpaus nagusi baten
zain: "Ehiza debekatuta... ez dugu askorik
irabaziko". Koma batek lagunduko lidake
(niri): EHIZA, DEBEKATUTA (baina uste dut
seinaleetarako aurrekontuetan ez dela
sartzen komen kostua ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
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size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">EHIZA
DEBEKATUA. Ezin dut saihestu sintagma bat
ikustea: "Ehiza debekatua... ez da bekatua".
Berriz ere, koma batek lagundu lezake (eta
gauza gehiago ere izango dira hitz
egitekoak)<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
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style="font-size: 12pt;">Ondorioz, aditz eta
guztiko mezu baten beharra sentitzen dut nik:
"Debekatuta dago ehiza(n) (egitea)", "Debeku
da ehiza(tzea)"...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times
New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">2014-01-29
Jabier Zabaleta <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:euskara@oriokoudala.com"
target="_blank" style="color: blue;
text-decoration: underline;">euskara@oriokoudala.com</a>>:<o:p></o:p></span></font></div>
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font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times
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eredu ikusten ditut hemen lehian:<o:p></o:p></span></font></div>
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face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;">- Espainolaren eta
frantsesaren bidetik (prohibido cazar, chasse
interdite), ‘ehiza debekatua’ egin liteke, edo<o:p></o:p></span></font></div>
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style="font-size: 12pt;">- Ingelesaren bidetik
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egin’ gisakoak.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div>
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face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;">Esango nuke
Euskaltermen eta Elhuyar hiztegian garbi egin
dutela bigarren bidearen alde; baina adibide
zehatz hau aipatu gabe.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div>
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style="font-size: 12pt;">Komeniko litzateke
kontu hau adostea, beti nork berea sortzen
ibili gabe.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div>
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Roman';"><b>Jabier Zabaleta</b><o:p></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New
Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman"
size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Orioko
Udaleko euskara teknikaria<o:p></o:p></span></font></div>
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size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><a
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href="mailto:euskara@oriokoudala.com"
target="_blank" style="color: blue;
text-decoration: underline;">euskara@oriokoudala.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New
Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman"
size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">943
830 346 —>8<o:p></o:p></span></font></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font
face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;">El 29/01/2014, a les
10:09,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:xabier-pascual@ej-gv.es"
target="_blank" style="color: blue;
text-decoration: underline;">xabier-pascual@ej-gv.es</a><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>va
escriure:<o:p></o:p></span></font></div>
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color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EU">Buruz
ari naiz, baina Gasteiz inguruan ‘Arrantza
debekatu(t)a’ dioen kartelen bat ikusi
dudala esango nuke. Hortik ‘Ehiza
debekatu(t)a’ egin daiteke.</span></font><o:p></o:p></div>
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size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;
color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EU">Ekonomia
eta Plangintza Zuzendaritza</span></font><o:p></o:p></div>
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color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"
size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;
color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EU">Eusko
Jaurlaritza</span></font><o:p></o:p></div>
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color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"
size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;
color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EU">945 01
90 56</span></font><o:p></o:p></div>
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12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><i><font
color="green" face="Arial" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt; font-family:
Arial; color: green; font-style: italic;"
lang="EU">Nahi baduzu, euskaraz jarraituko
dugu.</span></font></i><o:p></o:p></div>
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face="Tahoma" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
Tahoma; font-weight: bold;">De:</span></font></b><font
face="Tahoma" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
Tahoma;"> Jabier Zabaleta [<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:euskara@oriokoudala.com"
target="_blank" style="color: blue;
text-decoration: underline;">mailto:euskara@oriokoudala.com</a>] <br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Enviado
el:</span></b> miércoles, 29 de enero
de 2014 9:59<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Para:</span></b> <st1:personname
w:st="on">ItzuL</st1:personname><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Asunto:</span></b> [itzul]
Prohibido cazar</span></font><o:p></o:p></div>
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12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font
face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div>
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12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font
face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;">Kartel bat jarri
behar du gure udalak herriko naturgune
ezagun batean, ‘Prohibido cazar’ adierazten
duena. Euskaraz, jakina. <o:p></o:p></span></font></div>
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12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font
face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font
face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;">Begiratzen hasi eta
konturatu naiz forma normaldu-arauzkorik ez
dugula oraindik adostu horretarako.
Euskaltermen ez dago eta Elhuyarrek eta
beste hiztegiek ere ez dute aipatzen<o:p></o:p></span></font></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font
face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font
face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;">Euskaltermi eta
Elhuyarri kasu egitera, ‘debekatu’,
‘galarazi’ eta gisakoak ez dira erabiltzen
horrelako mezutan, eta ezezko hutsarekin
moldatzen dira:<o:p></o:p></span></font></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font
face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font
face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;">‘prohibido aparcar’
= ‘ez aparkatu’<o:p></o:p></span></font></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font
face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font
face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;">‘prohibida la
entrada’ = ‘ez sartu'<o:p></o:p></span></font></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font
face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font
face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;">Irizpide hori
aplikatuta, hainbat aukera bururatzen
zaizkit, nire ‘prohibido cazar’ hori
emateko:<o:p></o:p></span></font></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font
face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font
face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;">1.- Ez ehizatu<o:p></o:p></span></font></div>
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12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font
face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font
face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;">2.- Ez ehizan ibili<o:p></o:p></span></font></div>
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12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font
face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div>
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12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font
face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;">3.- Ehizan ez ibili<o:p></o:p></span></font></div>
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12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font
face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font
face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;">4.- ...<o:p></o:p></span></font></div>
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12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font
face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div>
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12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font
face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;">Nola eman izan
duzue? Adostuko al dugu bat?<o:p></o:p></span></font></div>
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12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font
face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div>
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font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New
Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman"
size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Ondo-ondo
bizi.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New
Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman"
size="3"><span style="font-size:
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
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New Roman';"><b>Jabier Zabaleta</b><o:p></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times
New Roman';"><font face="Times New
Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;">Orioko
Udaleko euskara teknikaria<o:p></o:p></span></font></div>
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New Roman';"><font face="Times New
Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;"><a
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href="mailto:euskara@oriokoudala.com"
target="_blank" style="color:
blue; text-decoration:
underline;"><font color="purple"><span
style="color: purple;">euskara@oriokoudala.com</span></font></a><o:p></o:p></span></font></div>
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font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times
New Roman';"><font face="Times New
Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;">943 830
346 —>8<o:p></o:p></span></font></div>
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Aupa, Jabier:<br>
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Oraindik ere diozunez "Hori erabiliko dudala uste dut: ‘Ehiza
debekatuta’... hona nire bost xentimokoa:<br>
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Joan den asteko eztabaidan, 'ez' eta 'debekatu' moldeko aukerak
atera ziren, mezuren bat itzuri ez bazitzaidan. Hirugarren aukera
bat ere ibili da testuinguru horietan: 'ezin' moldea.<br>
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'Debekatu' hori prexixo jotzen denerako, eta zenbait belarrik
aditzaren beharra indartsu samar aditzen dugunez, bada forma bat
niri gustatzen zaidana: 'Debeku da... (izena zein aditz izena)',
osoa izanagatik ez baita luze.<br>
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Joxe Mari Berasategi<br>
Gasteiz<br>
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P.D. Orotarikotik:<span
style="font-family:Times,serif;font-size:9pt;"> DEBEKU IZAN (B; </span><span
style="font-style:italic;font-family:Times,serif;font-size:9pt;">debetu</span><span
style="font-family:Times,serif;font-size:9pt;"> </span><span
style="font-style:italic;font-family:Times,serif;font-size:9pt;">i.
</span><span style="font-family:Times,serif;font-size:9pt;">S; Foix
ap. Lh). Ref.: A (</span><span
style="font-style:italic;font-family:Times,serif;font-size:9pt;">debetu</span><span
style="font-family:Times,serif;font-size:9pt;">); Izeta </span><span
style="font-style:italic;font-family:Times,serif;font-size:9pt;">BHizt</span><span
style="font-family:Times,serif;font-size:9pt;">. </span><span
style="font-weight:bold;font-style:italic;font-family:Times,serif;font-size:9pt;">a)</span><span
style="font-family:Times,serif;font-size:9pt;"> (Unipersonal, 3.</span><span
style="vertical-align:super;font-family:Times,serif;font-size:8pt;">a</span><span
style="font-family:Times,serif;font-size:9pt;"> pers.) ser
ilícito, estar prohibido. "</span><span
style="font-style:italic;font-family:Times,serif;font-size:9pt;">Hau
debeku da, hemen ezin daiteke egurrik egin</span><span
style="font-family:Times,serif;font-size:9pt;">" Izeta </span><span
style="font-style:italic;font-family:Times,serif;font-size:9pt;">BHizt</span><span
style="font-family:Times,serif;font-size:9pt;">. </span><img
src="cid:part18.04000909.06040209@euskaltel.net"><span
style="font-family:Times,serif;font-size:9pt;"> </span><span
style="font-style:italic;font-family:Times,serif;font-size:9pt;">Hauste
egunetik bazko zaharreraino konzilioz debeku dira ezteiketak</span><span
style="font-family:Times,serif;font-size:9pt;">. Harb e</span><span
style="font-family:IPAKiel;font-size:9pt;">)</span><span
style="font-family:Times,serif;font-size:9pt;"> 6v. </span><span
style="font-style:italic;font-family:Times,serif;font-size:9pt;">Zeren
</span><span style="font-family:Times,serif;font-size:9pt;">[ezkonduak]
</span><span
style="font-style:italic;font-family:Times,serif;font-size:9pt;">berea
ezpaitu debeku eta bai bere eztuena</span><span
style="font-family:Times,serif;font-size:9pt;">. Ax 359 (V 238). </span><span
style="font-style:italic;font-family:Times,serif;font-size:9pt;">Ohoinkeria
debekhu dela eztaki</span><span
style="font-family:Times,serif;font-size:9pt;">. Tt </span><span
style="font-style:italic;font-family:Times,serif;font-size:9pt;">Onsa</span><span
style="font-family:Times,serif;font-size:9pt;"> 29. </span><span
style="font-style:italic;font-family:Times,serif;font-size:9pt;">Debetü
da hari minzatzia</span><span
style="font-family:Times,serif;font-size:9pt;">. Bp I 115. </span><span
style="font-style:italic;font-family:Times,serif;color:000000;font-size:9pt;">Noiz
dira debetü ezteiak? </span><span
style="font-family:Times,serif;color:000000;font-size:9pt;">Ib.
112. </span><span
style="font-style:italic;font-family:Times,serif;color:000000;font-size:9pt;">Zure
ikasleak egiten dute larunbatean debeku dana</span><span
style="font-family:Times,serif;color:000000;font-size:9pt;">. Ir </span><span
style="font-style:italic;font-family:Times,serif;color:000000;font-size:9pt;">YKBiz</span><span
style="font-family:Times,serif;color:000000;font-size:9pt;"> 110.
</span><span
style="font-style:italic;font-family:Times,serif;color:000000;font-size:9pt;">Otoitz-aspertu
bat nai, ta debeku nun negarra</span><span
style="font-family:Times,serif;color:000000;font-size:9pt;">. Or </span><span
style="font-style:italic;font-family:Times,serif;color:000000;font-size:9pt;">Poem</span><span
style="font-family:Times,serif;color:000000;font-size:9pt;"> 540.
</span><span
style="font-style:italic;font-family:Times,serif;color:000000;font-size:9pt;">Lizunkeri
zoro ori [...] debeku da Zure legeetan</span><span
style="font-family:Times,serif;color:000000;font-size:9pt;">. Or </span><span
style="font-style:italic;font-family:Times,serif;color:000000;font-size:9pt;">Aitork</span><span
style="font-family:Times,serif;color:000000;font-size:9pt;"> 39. </span><span
style="font-style:italic;font-family:Times,serif;color:000000;font-size:9pt;">Bazen
anitz eta anitz hots-bilkura latinez zilegi eta gurean debeku
zenik</span><span
style="font-family:Times,serif;color:000000;font-size:9pt;">. MEIG
VII 179. </span> <br>
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