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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EU" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";mso-fareast-language:ES">Ñabardura baino gehiago, nik ikusten dut bi gauza guztiz desberdinak direla, baina ez batean “batir” eta bestean “dar” erabiltzen delako,
zeren RAEren arabera, “batir palmas” ere orokorra izan daiteke: “txaloak jo” besterik gabe.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";mso-fareast-language:ES">batir
<u>palma</u>s<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";mso-fareast-language:ES">1. loc. verb. Aplaudir, dar palmadas de aplauso.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";mso-fareast-language:ES">2. loc. verb. Seguir con palmadas los distintos ritmos de la danza andaluza.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EU" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";mso-fareast-language:ES">Hortaz, biak bereizi behar direnean, “dantza flamenkoa”, “gitarra flamenkoa”, “kantu flamenkoa” eta abar dauden bezalaxe, “txalo-jotze
flamenkoa” izan liteke aukera bat.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EU" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";mso-fareast-language:ES">Mailegua hartzea izan liteke beste bat: “palmak jo” (txalo flamenkoez ari garenean, txalo orokorretatik bereizteko).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EU" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";mso-fareast-language:ES">Dena dela, testuinguruak esango digu ezinbestean erabili behar ditugun “flamenkoa” edo “palmak” edo ezer ez, edo nola moldatu behar dugun
txalo-jotze hori adierazteko modua, Interneten aurkitu dudan testu honetan bezala:
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span lang="EU" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:ES">Flamenkoa hiru adierazpidek osatzen dute: kantuak, gitarrak —lantzean<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span lang="EU" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:ES">bandurriak—, eta dantzak. Gitarra eta dantza osagarri zaizkio kantu flamenkoari,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span lang="EU" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:ES">azken hori jotzen baita arte nobletzat (Thede, 1999). Horri guztiari osotasuna<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span lang="EU" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:ES">ematen diote
</span><i><span lang="EU" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica-Oblique","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:ES">palma
</span></i><span lang="EU" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:ES">edo txalo-jotze erritmikoek (</span><i><span lang="EU" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica-Oblique","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:ES">ibid</span></i><span lang="EU" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:ES">.:
94) eta kaskaineta edo<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span lang="EU" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:ES">kriskitinek (</span><i><span lang="EU" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica-Oblique","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:ES">castañuelas</span></i><span lang="EU" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:ES">):
egurrezko xafla txikiak dira, erpuruei lotu eta musikaren<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span lang="EU" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:ES">erritmoan klaskatzen direnak. Dantza, antzerki-errepresentazioak eta musika<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span lang="EU" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:ES">bezalaxe,
</span><i><span lang="EU" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica-Oblique","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:ES">artea eta ikuskizunak
</span></i><span lang="EU" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:ES">esparrukoa da, eta
</span><i><span lang="EU" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica-Oblique","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:ES">taconéo
</span></i><span lang="EU" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:ES">delakoak laguntzen<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span lang="EU" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:ES">du kasu honetan. Gizon eta emakumeak zapata takoidunekin dantzatzen dira,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span lang="EU" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:ES">orpoak jotzeko teknika erritmiko jakin bati jarraika, taldekoen txaloen eta kriskitinsoinuen<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EU" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:ES">oihartzunarekin batera.</span><span lang="EU" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";mso-fareast-language:ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><b><span lang="EU" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:ES">From:</span></b><span lang="EU" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:ES">
Unamuno Plazaola Mario [mailto:m.unamuno@pamplona.es] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> jueves, 08 de septiembre de 2016 13:12<br>
<b>To:</b> 'ItzuL'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [itzul] palmas flamencas, batir palmas<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"> Kaixo lagunok…<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"> Berez, "txaloak jo" atera zait….. baina… gauza bera al dira "batir palmas" eta "aplaudir". <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"> Nik ñabardura garbia ikusten dut ekintza bien artean, batetik musika edo erritmoa egiteko molde bat, eta bestetik ekitaldi jakin bat saritzeko keinua (edo agurtzekoa, esaterako ekitaldi politiko baten amaieran).
Hau da, Estrella Morentek (demagun) amaitu du bere ekitaldia, eta nik txalo egin dut, txaloak jo ditut, baina haren ikuskizunak iraun bitartean ni ez naiz gauza (ez dakidalako egiten) erritmoa markaten duten "palma" horiek… jotzen????
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"> Hiztegietan, Elhuyarren eta Zehazkin, "txalo jo" eta "txalo egin" ematen dira "batir palmas" eta "dar palmas" horien pareko…<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"> Ikusten al duzue zuek goian aipatu dudan ñabardura? baiezkoan, nola jokatuko zenukete?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"> Eskerrik asko aurretiaz….<o:p></o:p></p>
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