<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Perpaus luzeetan subjektua bukaerara bidaltzea etxea teilatutik hastea da. Eta "zeu ekarri zaitut"en, subjektua ez dago isilduta. "Zeuk ekarri zaitu"n legoke.<br><br>Enviado desde mi iPad</div><div><br>El 5 dic 2016, a las 19:28, Agirre Garai, Jon <<a href="mailto:jon-agirre@euskadi.eus">jon-agirre@euskadi.eus</a>> escribió:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Ostikatze barik, ez da subjektua edo objektua, mintzagaia eta galdegaia baino. Subjektua (!!!) atzeratu ez, isildu ere bai: “Zeu ekarri zaitut”. Edo objektua:
“Neuk ekarri zaitut”. Euskaraz, bagara, bai, horrela komunikatzen, Xabier; zerbait badaukagu, lege gutxi batzuen barruan, malgutasuna da, esaldiaren antolaketan.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Delako esaldi hura, nik beste moduren batean esango nuen, baina esaldi horretaz, ez beste esaldi posible batez, eta esaldi horren antolaeraz ari garelarik,
Sarasolak esandako ordena aldaketaz baliatuaz eta testuinguru horretan atera dut aukera hori. Helburua ez zen besterik, aditzaren hurrenkeraz edo kokapenaz jardutea baino.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Xabier Aristegieta [<a href="mailto:allurritza@gmail.com">mailto:allurritza@gmail.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> astelehena, 2016.eko abenduak 5 18:28<br>
<b>To:</b> ItzuL<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [itzul] euskararen desafektua<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Jon, perpaus luze batean zer eta subjektua (!!!) esaldi-bukaerako zoko-puntara ostikatze hori testu-prozesadorea lagun harturik erraz asko egin ohi da idazmahaian (Berria-koek izugarri gustukoa dute: nortaz edo zertaz ari diren jakin gabe,
esaldi osoa irakurri, eta bukaeran enteratzen gara nor zen nor hori edo zer zen zer hori).<br>
Euskaraz ez gara horrela komunikatzen.<br>
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Xabier Aristegieta<br>
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Agirre Garai, Jon <<a href="mailto:jon-agirre@euskadi.eus">jon-agirre@euskadi.eus</a>> erabiltzaileak hau idatzi du (2016 abe. 5, al. (17:20)):<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="gmailmsg"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Ez da oso esanguratsua. Aspaldion, I. Sarasola euskara ikasten barik, ahazten
ari omen da. Ez zuen delako esaldi hori lehenengoan ulertuko, baina bizkaiera eta zuberera ere ez ei ditu ulertzen; plastiko euskara maiteago du, ordea (Berak esana… Eskerrak zuri, Jauna).</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="gmailmsg"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="gmailmsg"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Nik esaldi horretan ulertzen dudana (ez jatorrizko esaldi kritikatuan, Sarasolaren
ustezko zuzenean baizik), “Energia analisiak (eta ez bestek) ahalbidetzen duela…” da.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="gmailmsg"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Betiko gaizki ikasiak. Euskaraz aditza ez da esaldiaren amaieran jartzen,
euskaraz galdegaia jartzen da aditzaren aurrean.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="gmailmsg"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="gmailmsg"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Energia-analisiak zer ahalbidetzen duen esan nahi bada, “Suntsiketak edo galerak
non gertatzen diren identifikatzea eta horiek garrantziaren arabera ordenatzea ahalbidetzen du energia-analisiak” esango nuke. Hau da, “"ahalbidetzen du" aditza [kokatuta] "analisiak"-en eta "suntsiketak"-en artean” eta galdegaiaren legea arazo barik beteta.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Gilen Mejuto [mailto:<a href="mailto:gilenmejuto@gmail.com" target="_blank">gilenmejuto@gmail.com</a>]
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<span class="gmailmsg"><b>Sent:</b> astelehena, 2016.eko abenduak 5 16:37</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span class="gmailmsg"><b>To:</b> ItzuL</span><br>
<span class="gmailmsg"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [itzul] euskararen desafektua</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Hona hemen zer dioskun I. Sarasolak bere azken liburuan,
<i>Bitakora koadernoa</i>n, esaldi jakin baten ulergarritasunaz ari dela (145. or.):
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"Dena dela, nik bederen ez dut lortu esaldia lehen irakurketan ulertzea. Hortaz, uste izanik ez naizela esaldia lehen irakurraldian ulertzen ez duen bakarra, pentsatzen dut horrelakoetan bide bakarra dagoela esaldi komunikatibo bat lortzeko: Altuberen legea
hautsiz, aditza subjektuaren eta objektuaren artean kokatzea; kasu honetan "ahalbidetzen du" aditza kokatzea "analisiak"-en eta "suntsiketak"-en artean:<br>
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- Energia-analisiak ahalbidetzen du suntsiketak edo galerak non gertatzen diren identifikatzea eta horiek garrantziaren arabera ordenatzea."<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Joxemi Hernandez<<a href="mailto:joxemiher@euskalnet.net" target="_blank">joxemiher@euskalnet.net</a>> igorleak hau idatzi zuen (2016(e)ko abenduak 5 11:57):<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Gai honetaz, Euskaltzaindiak liburu praktiko eta argigarri bat argitaratu zuen 2011n:
<i>Hitz-ordena. Erabilera estrategikoa</i>. Gainera PDFn ere eskuratu daiteke helbide honetan:<br>
<a href="http://www.euskaltzaindia.eus/dok/iker_jagon_tegiak/75532.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.euskaltzaindia.eus/dok/iker_jagon_tegiak/75532.pdf</a><br>
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Joxemi<br>
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De: "LARRINAGA LARRAZABAL, ASIER" <<a href="mailto:larrinaga_asier@eitb.eus">larrinaga_asier@eitb.eus</a>><br>
Fecha: Lunes, 5 de Diciembre de 2016, 9:49 am<br>
Asunto: Re: [itzul] euskararen desafektua<br>
A: 'ItzuL' <<a href="mailto:itzul@postaria.com" target="_blank">itzul@postaria.com</a>><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span><span class="gmailmsg"><span lang="ES" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Niri txundigarri egiten zait Altube aipatzea. Azken mende honetan ez du inork ezer aztertu euskarako hitz-ordenari buruz? Eta ez zaigu
ezer itsatsi? Alferrik izan dira, eraginik gabekoak, "Idazkera-liburua" (Zubimendi eta Esnal, 1993), "Joskera lantegi" (Garzia, 1997) eta beste?</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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1868an:</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span><span class="gmailmsg"><span lang="ES" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">«</span></span><i>Men senior, I sende evos un gramatik e un varb-bibel de un nuov glot nomed universal glot. In futur, I scriptrai
evos semper in dit glot. I pregate evos responden ad me in dit self glot</i><span class="gmailmsg"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">».</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span><span class="gmailmsg"><span lang="ES" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Nik arazo barik ulertzen dut goiko pasarte hori. Komunikagarria da? Ez! Guztiz asmo serioz sortutako universalglot horrek barregura
ematen digu. Komunikagarritasuna sortzetik suntsituta.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span><span class="gmailmsg"><span lang="ES" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Asier Larrinaga Larrazabal</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span><span class="gmailmsg"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b></span><span class="gmailmsg"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> LB [mailto:<a href="mailto:luisber12@gmail.com" target="_blank">luisber12@gmail.com</a>]
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</span></span><span class="gmailmsg"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Sent:</span></b></span><span class="gmailmsg"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> sábado, 03 de diciembre de 2016 17:10</span></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><br>
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</span></span><span class="gmailmsg"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">To:</span></b></span><span class="gmailmsg"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> 'ItzuL'</span></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><br>
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</span></span><span class="gmailmsg"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Subject:</span></b></span><span class="gmailmsg"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Re: [itzul] euskararen desafektua</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span><span class="gmailmsg"><span lang="ES" style="font-size:14.0pt">Gai honetaz inori eskolak emateko ez asmorik eta ez jakitaterik gabe, ausartzen naiz esatera ados nagoela plazaratzen dituzun lau puntuekin, baina ez zure beste ideia horrekin, noiz
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</span></span><span class="gmailmsg"><span lang="ES" style="font-size:14.0pt">Nire ustez, arazoa sinpleagoa da: Altuberen izurria, edo izurri altubianoa
<span style="letter-spacing:-.15pt">—</span>gure artean egundaino bezain indartsu eta buruxut dabilena<span style="letter-spacing:-.15pt">—</span> arrasetik errautsi ezak gauzka paradero nahasi honetan. Altubek, edo beharbada haren jarraitzaile sutsuenek (gehi
bidea apailatu zioten aurrekari zenbaitek, nola ziren Larramendi, Arana, Azkue et alia), irizpide ideologiko bat ezarri diote hizkuntzari, eta haren arabera eraiki nahi izan da gurean joskera sistema bat lotura gutxi daukana euskera idatziaren tradizio historikoarekin
eta hizkuntza mintzatuaren praxi errealarekin. Oharkabean ala ohartuki, herensuge izugarri batez erditu zen gure pentsalari arrasaterra, eta munstro horrek ahotik turrustatzen dituen sugarrek gauzkate inpotentzia sintaktiko absolutu batean kixkalduak iragan
larogeitaka urte honetan.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span><span class="gmailmsg"><span lang="ES" style="font-size:14.0pt">Lege altubianoen fikzio suizidak desmuntatu arte, ez dago zer eginik.
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</span></span><span class="gmailmsg"><span lang="ES" style="font-size:14.0pt">Euskal tradizio idatziaren askatasun prosodiko-estilistikoa berreskuratu arte, galduak gara.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span><span class="gmailmsg"><span lang="ES" style="font-size:14.0pt">Euskeraren izaera eta antolamendu pospositiboa emeki baina fermuki molde prepositiboetara ekartzeko deliberoa inteligentziaz eta zentzuz besarkatu arte, jai dugu (ohartu ez zutela
besterik egin duela lau mende latineko eta auzo erromantzeetako baliabide anaforikoak euskara ekarri zituzten idazle klasikoek, edo, oraintsuago, hizkera zientifikoan preposizio berri andana bat sortu dutenek eskola eta unibertsitateko beharrizanetarako).
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</span></span><span class="gmailmsg"><span lang="ES" style="font-size:14.0pt">Azkenik, eta aurreko hiru puntuetara azkarrago eta errazago iristeko estrategia unibertsal gisa, konprenitu arte esaldiak tajutzean behar dugula saiatu beti mezuak antolatzen halako
gisaz non esaldia ulergarria izango den irakurri ahala, eta ez irakurri ondan, etorkizunak begi gorriak izango ditu guretzat.
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</span></span><span class="gmailmsg"><span lang="ES" style="font-size:14.0pt">LB</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span><span class="gmailmsg"><span lang="ES" style="font-size:14.0pt">NB: Alperrik da gure etxeko gabeziak maskaratzea esanez areagokoak dituela auzoak. Diozunean “</span></span><span class="gmailmsg"><span lang="ES" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">gaztelaniazko
perpausa ere zakarrontzira botatzeko modukoa”</span></span><span class="gmailmsg"><span lang="ES" style="font-size:14.0pt"> dela, ez diozu egia. Esaldi hori erabat zuzena eta egokia da gazteleraz, errotik ulergarria delako eta perfektuki betetzen duelako bere
zeregin komunikatiboa. Arazoak ez daude gazteleraz (eta daudenak berek konponduko dituzte), arazoak euskeraz ditugu, are gazteleraren erabilera desmasiatuen kalkoz geronek sortuak direnean ere.
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</span></span><span class="gmailmsg"><b><span lang="ES" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">De:</span></b></span><span class="gmailmsg"><span lang="ES" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> LARRINAGA LARRAZABAL,
ASIER [mailto:<a href="mailto:larrinaga_asier@eitb.eus" target="_blank">larrinaga_asier@eitb.eus</a>]
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</span></span><span class="gmailmsg"><b><span lang="ES" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Enviado el:</span></b></span><span class="gmailmsg"><span lang="ES" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> jueves, 01 de
diciembre de 2016 11:05</span></span><span lang="ES" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><br>
</span><span class="gmailmsg"><span lang="ES" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";background:#F5F8F0">>
</span></span><span class="gmailmsg"><b><span lang="ES" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Para:</span></b></span><span class="gmailmsg"><span lang="ES" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> 'ItzuL'</span></span><span lang="ES" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><br>
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</span></span><span class="gmailmsg"><b><span lang="ES" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Asunto:</span></b></span><span class="gmailmsg"><span lang="ES" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Re: [itzul] euskararen
desafektua</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span><span class="gmailmsg"><span lang="ES" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Esango nuke nahiko bat gatozela agertu ditugun iritzietan Gilen, Bittor, Amaia, Xabier eta ni. Iritzi-batasun hori labur azaltzen
ere ausartuko naiz.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span><span class="gmailmsg"><span lang="ES" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">1. Euskaraz. galdegaia bada.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span><span class="gmailmsg"><span lang="ES" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">2. Galdegaia testuinguruak zehazten du (mintzagaia ere bai).</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span><span class="gmailmsg"><span lang="ES" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Nik beste ideia hauek erantsiko nituzke iritzi-batasuna hausteko beldurrik barik.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="gmailmsg"><span lang="ES" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span><span class="gmailmsg"><span lang="ES" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">3. Galdegaia hainbat modutara agerrarazten da: posizioaren bidez, morfema bidez...</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span><span class="gmailmsg"><span lang="ES" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">4. Testu-estilo batetik bestera, aldeak egon daitezke galdegaia agerrarazteko moduan.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="gmailmsg"><span lang="ES" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span><span class="gmailmsg"><span lang="ES" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Beharbada --hemen dator nire gogoeta--, ez dugu asmatu ideia horiek transmititzen eta, are txarrago dena, ez dugu behar bezala aztertu
zelan jokatu testu-estilo bakoitzean.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span><span class="gmailmsg"><span lang="ES" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Atzoko esaldietara itzulita, zer abantaila du (a)-k (b)-rekiko? Niretzat, bat ez.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span><span class="gmailmsg"><span lang="ES" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">(a) «Ekitaldia izango da abenduaren 3an, goizeko 11:30ean, Guggenheim Bilbao Museoko Auditoriumean».</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span><span class="gmailmsg"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">(b) «Ekitaldia abenduaren 3an izango da, goizeko 11:30ean, Guggenheim Bilbao Museoko Auditoriumean».</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span><span class="gmailmsg"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Gaztelaniazko esamoldeetatik askatzea dela eta, ez dut ulertzen zergatik abiatu behar dugun beti gaztelaniatik, are gonbidapen
soil bat euskaraz emateaz ari garenean ere.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span><span class="gmailmsg"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">(c) «Etortzekoa bazara, eskertuko dizugu baieztatzea 945 018 110 telefonoan edo helbide elektroniko honetan: <a href="mailto:hps-sailburuordetza@euskadi.eus">hps-sailburuordetza@euskadi.eus</a>».</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span><span class="gmailmsg"><span lang="ES" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Perpaus horretan, «etortzekoa bazara» ez da «eskertuko dizugu»-ren baldintza. «Eskertuko dizugu» horrek ez du inongo zentzurik. Hor,
kortesiazko esamolde bat jarri beharko litzakete: «eskertuko genizuke...». Dena dela, nik honela ipiniko nuke:</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span><span class="gmailmsg"><span lang="ES" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">(d) «Etortzekoa bazara, baieztatu, mesedez, 945 018 110 telefonoan edo helbide elektroniko honetan: <a href="mailto:hps-sailburuordetza@euskadi.eus">hps-sailburuordetza@euskadi.eus</a>».</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span><span class="gmailmsg"><span lang="ES" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Beharbada, baten batek nahiago du gaztelaniazko «le agradecemos» esamoldean katigatu, nahiz eta gaztelaniazko perpausa ere zakarrontzira
botatzeko modukoa izan: «Le agradecemos confirme su asistencia con antelación en el teléfono 945 018 110 o por correo electrónico: <a href="mailto:hps-sailburuordetza@euskadi.eus">hps-sailburuordetza@euskadi.eus</a>».</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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