<div style="white-space:pre-wrap">Jon, perpaus luze batean zer eta subjektua (!!!) esaldi-bukaerako zoko-puntara ostikatze hori testu-prozesadorea lagun harturik erraz asko egin ohi da idazmahaian (Berria-koek izugarri gustukoa dute: nortaz edo zertaz ari diren jakin gabe, esaldi osoa irakurri, eta bukaeran enteratzen gara nor zen nor hori edo zer zen zer hori).<br>Euskaraz ez gara horrela komunikatzen.<br><br>Xabier Aristegieta<br><br>Agirre Garai, Jon <jon-agirre@euskadi.eus> erabiltzaileak hau idatzi du (2016 abe. 5, al. (17:20)):<br></div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_msg"><blockquote class="gmail_quote gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="gmail_msg">Ez da oso esanguratsua. Aspaldion, I. Sarasola euskara ikasten barik, ahazten ari omen da. Ez zuen delako esaldi hori lehenengoan ulertuko, baina bizkaiera
eta zuberera ere ez ei ditu ulertzen; plastiko euskara maiteago du, ordea (Berak esana… Eskerrak zuri, Jauna).<u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="gmail_msg">Nik esaldi horretan ulertzen dudana (ez jatorrizko esaldi kritikatuan, Sarasolaren ustezko zuzenean baizik), “Energia analisiak (eta ez bestek) ahalbidetzen
duela…” da.<u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="gmail_msg">Betiko gaizki ikasiak. Euskaraz aditza ez da esaldiaren amaieran jartzen, euskaraz galdegaia jartzen da aditzaren aurrean.<u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="gmail_msg">Energia-analisiak zer ahalbidetzen duen esan nahi bada, “Suntsiketak edo galerak non gertatzen diren identifikatzea eta horiek garrantziaren arabera ordenatzea
ahalbidetzen du energia-analisiak” esango nuke. Hau da, “"ahalbidetzen du" aditza [kokatuta] "analisiak"-en eta "suntsiketak"-en artean” eta galdegaiaren legea arazo barik beteta.<u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="gmail_msg">Jon<u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><b class="gmail_msg"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" class="gmail_msg">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" class="gmail_msg"> Gilen Mejuto [mailto:<a href="mailto:gilenmejuto@gmail.com" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">gilenmejuto@gmail.com</a>]
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<b class="gmail_msg">Sent:</b> astelehena, 2016.eko abenduak 5 16:37</span></p></div></div><div lang="EU" link="blue" vlink="purple" class="gmail_msg"><div class="m_6972564442263864984m_-2442704182085016338WordSection1 gmail_msg"><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg">
<b class="gmail_msg">To:</b> ItzuL<br class="gmail_msg">
<b class="gmail_msg">Subject:</b> Re: [itzul] euskararen desafektua<u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p></div></div><div lang="EU" link="blue" vlink="purple" class="gmail_msg"><div class="m_6972564442263864984m_-2442704182085016338WordSection1 gmail_msg">
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<p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg">Hona hemen zer dioskun I. Sarasolak bere azken liburuan, <i class="gmail_msg">
Bitakora koadernoa</i>n, esaldi jakin baten ulergarritasunaz ari dela (145. or.):
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"Dena dela, nik bederen ez dut lortu esaldia lehen irakurketan ulertzea. Hortaz, uste izanik ez naizela esaldia lehen irakurraldian ulertzen ez duen bakarra, pentsatzen dut horrelakoetan bide bakarra dagoela esaldi komunikatibo bat lortzeko: Altuberen legea
hautsiz, aditza subjektuaren eta objektuaren artean kokatzea; kasu honetan "ahalbidetzen du" aditza kokatzea "analisiak"-en eta "suntsiketak"-en artean:<br class="gmail_msg">
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- Energia-analisiak ahalbidetzen du suntsiketak edo galerak non gertatzen diren identifikatzea eta horiek garrantziaren arabera ordenatzea."<u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg">Joxemi Hernandez<<a href="mailto:joxemiher@euskalnet.net" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">joxemiher@euskalnet.net</a>> igorleak hau idatzi zuen (2016(e)ko abenduak 5 11:57):<u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg">Gai honetaz, Euskaltzaindiak liburu praktiko eta argigarri bat argitaratu zuen 2011n:
<i class="gmail_msg">Hitz-ordena. Erabilera estrategikoa</i>. Gainera PDFn ere eskuratu daiteke helbide honetan:<br class="gmail_msg">
<a href="http://www.euskaltzaindia.eus/dok/iker_jagon_tegiak/75532.pdf" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">http://www.euskaltzaindia.eus/dok/iker_jagon_tegiak/75532.pdf</a><br class="gmail_msg">
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De: "LARRINAGA LARRAZABAL, ASIER" <larrinaga_asier@eitb.eus><br class="gmail_msg">
Fecha: Lunes, 5 de Diciembre de 2016, 9:49 am<br class="gmail_msg">
Asunto: Re: [itzul] euskararen desafektua<br class="gmail_msg">
A: 'ItzuL' <<a href="mailto:itzul@postaria.com" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">itzul@postaria.com</a>><u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></p>
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</span><span lang="ES" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="gmail_msg">Niri txundigarri egiten zait Altube aipatzea. Azken mende honetan ez du inork ezer aztertu euskarako hitz-ordenari buruz? Eta ez zaigu ezer itsatsi? Alferrik izan
dira, eraginik gabekoak, "Idazkera-liburua" (Zubimendi eta Esnal, 1993), "Joskera lantegi" (Garzia, 1997) eta beste?</span><span lang="ES" class="gmail_msg"><u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p>
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</span><span lang="ES" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="gmail_msg">Txundigarri egiten zait, era berean, ulergarritasuna, zuzentasuna eta komunikagarritasuna berdintzea. Pirro delako batek honela zioen 1868an:</span><span lang="ES" class="gmail_msg"><u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p>
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</span><span lang="ES" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="gmail_msg">«</span><i class="gmail_msg">Men senior, I sende evos un gramatik e un varb-bibel de un nuov glot nomed universal glot. In futur, I scriptrai evos semper in dit glot. I pregate evos
responden ad me in dit self glot</i><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="gmail_msg">».</span><span lang="ES" class="gmail_msg"><u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p>
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</span><span lang="ES" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="gmail_msg">Nik arazo barik ulertzen dut goiko pasarte hori. Komunikagarria da? Ez! Guztiz asmo serioz sortutako universalglot horrek barregura ematen digu. Komunikagarritasuna
sortzetik suntsituta.</span><span lang="ES" class="gmail_msg"><u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p>
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</span><span lang="ES" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="gmail_msg">Asier Larrinaga Larrazabal</span><span lang="ES" class="gmail_msg"><u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p>
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</span><b class="gmail_msg"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" class="gmail_msg">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" class="gmail_msg"> LB [mailto:<a href="mailto:luisber12@gmail.com" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">luisber12@gmail.com</a>]
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</span><b class="gmail_msg"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" class="gmail_msg">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" class="gmail_msg"> sábado, 03 de diciembre de 2016 17:10<br class="gmail_msg">
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</span><b class="gmail_msg"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" class="gmail_msg">To:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" class="gmail_msg"> 'ItzuL'<br class="gmail_msg">
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</span><b class="gmail_msg"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" class="gmail_msg">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" class="gmail_msg"> Re: [itzul] euskararen desafektua</span><span lang="ES" class="gmail_msg"><u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p>
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<span lang="ES" style="font-size:10.5pt;background:#f5f8f0" class="gmail_msg">> </span><span lang="ES" style="font-size:14.0pt" class="gmail_msg">Gai honetaz inori eskolak emateko ez asmorik eta ez jakitaterik gabe, ausartzen naiz esatera ados nagoela plazaratzen dituzun lau puntuekin, baina
ez zure beste ideia horrekin, noiz diozun arazoa dela ez dugula jakin izan puntu horiek ondo gizartzeratzen.
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<span lang="ES" style="font-size:10.5pt;background:#f5f8f0" class="gmail_msg">> </span><span lang="ES" style="font-size:14.0pt" class="gmail_msg">Nire ustez, arazoa sinpleagoa da: Altuberen izurria, edo izurri altubianoa
<span style="letter-spacing:-.15pt" class="gmail_msg">—</span>gure artean egundaino bezain indartsu eta buruxut dabilena<span style="letter-spacing:-.15pt" class="gmail_msg">—</span> arrasetik errautsi ezak gauzka paradero nahasi honetan. Altubek, edo beharbada haren jarraitzaile sutsuenek (gehi
bidea apailatu zioten aurrekari zenbaitek, nola ziren Larramendi, Arana, Azkue et alia), irizpide ideologiko bat ezarri diote hizkuntzari, eta haren arabera eraiki nahi izan da gurean joskera sistema bat lotura gutxi daukana euskera idatziaren tradizio historikoarekin
eta hizkuntza mintzatuaren praxi errealarekin. Oharkabean ala ohartuki, herensuge izugarri batez erditu zen gure pentsalari arrasaterra, eta munstro horrek ahotik turrustatzen dituen sugarrek gauzkate inpotentzia sintaktiko absolutu batean kixkalduak iragan
larogeitaka urte honetan.</span><span lang="ES" class="gmail_msg"><u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p>
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<span lang="ES" style="font-size:10.5pt;background:#f5f8f0" class="gmail_msg">> </span><span lang="ES" style="font-size:14.0pt" class="gmail_msg">Lege altubianoen fikzio suizidak desmuntatu arte, ez dago zer eginik.
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<span lang="ES" style="font-size:10.5pt;background:#f5f8f0" class="gmail_msg">> </span><span lang="ES" style="font-size:14.0pt" class="gmail_msg">Euskal tradizio idatziaren askatasun prosodiko-estilistikoa berreskuratu arte, galduak gara.</span><span lang="ES" class="gmail_msg"><u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p>
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<span lang="ES" style="font-size:10.5pt;background:#f5f8f0" class="gmail_msg">> </span><span lang="ES" style="font-size:14.0pt" class="gmail_msg">Euskeraren izaera eta antolamendu pospositiboa emeki baina fermuki molde prepositiboetara ekartzeko deliberoa inteligentziaz eta zentzuz besarkatu
arte, jai dugu (ohartu ez zutela besterik egin duela lau mende latineko eta auzo erromantzeetako baliabide anaforikoak euskara ekarri zituzten idazle klasikoek, edo, oraintsuago, hizkera zientifikoan preposizio berri andana bat sortu dutenek eskola eta unibertsitateko
beharrizanetarako). </span><span lang="ES" class="gmail_msg"><u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p>
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<span lang="ES" style="font-size:10.5pt;background:#f5f8f0" class="gmail_msg">> </span><span lang="ES" style="font-size:14.0pt" class="gmail_msg">Azkenik, eta aurreko hiru puntuetara azkarrago eta errazago iristeko estrategia unibertsal gisa, konprenitu arte esaldiak tajutzean behar dugula saiatu
beti mezuak antolatzen halako gisaz non esaldia ulergarria izango den irakurri ahala, eta ez irakurri ondan, etorkizunak begi gorriak izango ditu guretzat.
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<span lang="ES" style="font-size:10.5pt;background:#f5f8f0" class="gmail_msg">> </span><span lang="ES" style="font-size:14.0pt" class="gmail_msg">LB</span><span lang="ES" class="gmail_msg"><u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p>
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<span lang="ES" style="font-size:10.5pt;background:#f5f8f0" class="gmail_msg">> </span><span lang="ES" style="font-size:14.0pt" class="gmail_msg">NB: Alperrik da gure etxeko gabeziak maskaratzea esanez areagokoak dituela auzoak. Diozunean “</span><span lang="ES" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="gmail_msg">gaztelaniazko
perpausa ere zakarrontzira botatzeko modukoa”</span><span lang="ES" style="font-size:14.0pt" class="gmail_msg"> dela, ez diozu egia. Esaldi hori erabat zuzena eta egokia da gazteleraz, errotik ulergarria delako eta perfektuki betetzen duelako bere zeregin komunikatiboa. Arazoak
ez daude gazteleraz (eta daudenak berek konponduko dituzte), arazoak euskeraz ditugu, are gazteleraren erabilera desmasiatuen kalkoz geronek sortuak direnean ere.
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</span><b class="gmail_msg"><span lang="ES" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" class="gmail_msg">De:</span></b><span lang="ES" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" class="gmail_msg"> LARRINAGA LARRAZABAL, ASIER [mailto:<a href="mailto:larrinaga_asier@eitb.eus" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">larrinaga_asier@eitb.eus</a>]
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</span><b class="gmail_msg"><span lang="ES" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" class="gmail_msg">Enviado el:</span></b><span lang="ES" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" class="gmail_msg"> jueves, 01 de diciembre de 2016 11:05<br class="gmail_msg">
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</span><b class="gmail_msg"><span lang="ES" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" class="gmail_msg">Para:</span></b><span lang="ES" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" class="gmail_msg"> 'ItzuL'<br class="gmail_msg">
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</span><b class="gmail_msg"><span lang="ES" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" class="gmail_msg">Asunto:</span></b><span lang="ES" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" class="gmail_msg"> Re: [itzul] euskararen desafektua</span><span lang="ES" class="gmail_msg"><u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p>
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</span><span lang="ES" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="gmail_msg">Esango nuke nahiko bat gatozela agertu ditugun iritzietan Gilen, Bittor, Amaia, Xabier eta ni. Iritzi-batasun hori labur azaltzen ere ausartuko naiz.</span><span lang="ES" class="gmail_msg"><u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p>
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</span><span lang="ES" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="gmail_msg">1. Euskaraz. galdegaia bada.</span><span lang="ES" class="gmail_msg"><u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p>
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</span><span lang="ES" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="gmail_msg">2. Galdegaia testuinguruak zehazten du (mintzagaia ere bai).</span><span lang="ES" class="gmail_msg"><u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span lang="ES" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="gmail_msg"> </span><span lang="ES" class="gmail_msg"><u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p>
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</span><span lang="ES" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="gmail_msg">Nik beste ideia hauek erantsiko nituzke iritzi-batasuna hausteko beldurrik barik.</span><span lang="ES" class="gmail_msg"><u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p>
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</span><span lang="ES" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="gmail_msg">3. Galdegaia hainbat modutara agerrarazten da: posizioaren bidez, morfema bidez...</span><span lang="ES" class="gmail_msg"><u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p>
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</span><span lang="ES" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="gmail_msg">4. Testu-estilo batetik bestera, aldeak egon daitezke galdegaia agerrarazteko moduan.</span><span lang="ES" class="gmail_msg"><u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p>
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</span><span lang="ES" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="gmail_msg">Beharbada --hemen dator nire gogoeta--, ez dugu asmatu ideia horiek transmititzen eta, are txarrago dena, ez dugu behar bezala aztertu zelan jokatu testu-estilo
bakoitzean.</span><span lang="ES" class="gmail_msg"><u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p>
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</span><span lang="ES" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="gmail_msg">Atzoko esaldietara itzulita, zer abantaila du (a)-k (b)-rekiko? Niretzat, bat ez.</span><span lang="ES" class="gmail_msg"><u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p>
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</span><span lang="ES" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="gmail_msg">(a) «Ekitaldia izango da abenduaren 3an, goizeko 11:30ean, Guggenheim Bilbao Museoko Auditoriumean».</span><span lang="ES" class="gmail_msg"><u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span lang="ES" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="gmail_msg"> </span><span lang="ES" class="gmail_msg"><u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d;background:#f5f8f0" class="gmail_msg">>
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="gmail_msg">(b) «Ekitaldia abenduaren 3an izango da, goizeko 11:30ean, Guggenheim Bilbao Museoko Auditoriumean».</span><span lang="ES" class="gmail_msg"><u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="gmail_msg"> </span><span lang="ES" class="gmail_msg"><u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p>
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</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="gmail_msg">Gaztelaniazko esamoldeetatik askatzea dela eta, ez dut ulertzen zergatik abiatu behar dugun beti gaztelaniatik, are gonbidapen soil bat euskaraz emateaz ari
garenean ere.</span><span lang="ES" class="gmail_msg"><u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="gmail_msg"> </span><span lang="ES" class="gmail_msg"><u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p>
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</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="gmail_msg">(c) «Etortzekoa bazara, eskertuko dizugu baieztatzea 945 018 110 telefonoan edo helbide elektroniko honetan: hps-sailburuordetza@euskadi.eus».</span><span lang="ES" class="gmail_msg"><u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="gmail_msg"> </span><span lang="ES" class="gmail_msg"><u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p>
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</span><span lang="ES" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="gmail_msg">Perpaus horretan, «etortzekoa bazara» ez da «eskertuko dizugu»-ren baldintza. «Eskertuko dizugu» horrek ez du inongo zentzurik. Hor, kortesiazko esamolde bat jarri
beharko litzakete: «eskertuko genizuke...». Dena dela, nik honela ipiniko nuke:</span><span lang="ES" class="gmail_msg"><u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span lang="ES" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="gmail_msg"> </span><span lang="ES" class="gmail_msg"><u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p>
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</span><span lang="ES" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="gmail_msg">(d) «Etortzekoa bazara, baieztatu, mesedez, 945 018 110 telefonoan edo helbide elektroniko honetan: hps-sailburuordetza@euskadi.eus».</span><span lang="ES" class="gmail_msg"><u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span lang="ES" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="gmail_msg"> </span><span lang="ES" class="gmail_msg"><u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p>
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</span><span lang="ES" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="gmail_msg">Beharbada, baten batek nahiago du gaztelaniazko «le agradecemos» esamoldean katigatu, nahiz eta gaztelaniazko perpausa ere zakarrontzira botatzeko modukoa izan:
«Le agradecemos confirme su asistencia con antelación en el teléfono 945 018 110 o por correo electrónico: hps-sailburuordetza@euskadi.eus».</span><span lang="ES" class="gmail_msg"><u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p>
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</span><span lang="ES" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="gmail_msg">Asier Larrinaga Larrazabal</span><span lang="ES" class="gmail_msg"><u class="gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail_msg"></u></span></p>
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