<div dir="ltr"><div>Testua nolakoa den, "ust(el)ezko neutraltasunaren izenean" jar daiteke<br><br></div>Iñaki<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2017-10-23 10:02 GMT+02:00 LARRINAGA LARRAZABAL, ASIER <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:larrinaga_asier@eitb.eus" target="_blank">larrinaga_asier@eitb.eus</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="ES"><div class="m_7276877923445510330WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Bat nator Xabierren gogoetarekin, baina ez irtenbidearekin.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Aurrekoan proposatu nuenaren ildotik, honela esango nuke:<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> «Batzuek desegokiro neutraltasuna esaten diotenaren izenean...».<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Asier Larrinaga Larrazabal<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" lang="EU">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" lang="EU"> Xabier Aristegieta [mailto:<a href="mailto:allurritza@gmail.com" target="_blank">allurritza@gmail.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> viernes, 20 de octubre de 2017 13:39<br><b>To:</b> ItzuL<span class=""><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [itzul] Mal llamada neutralidad<u></u><u></u></span></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Nik ulertzen dudan moduan, "en nombre de la mal llamada neutralidad, se hace/no se hace..." esaten denean, esan nahi da:<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div class="h5"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">1.- Kasuko egite/ez-egitea "neutraltasun" kontzeptua aldarrikatuz gauzatzen duela egile/ez-egileak.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">2.- Eta, gainera, kontzeptu hori oker aldarrikatua dagoela, esatariaren iritziz.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Hori horrela, nire ustez ez da zuzena "Sasineutraltasunaren izenean" euskaratzea: egileak/ez-egileak ez du "sasineutraltasunaren izenean" aldarrikatzen, baizik eta, berriro diot, "neutraltasunaren izenean". Aldarrikapen hori okerrekoa bada ere, esatariaren hitzetan.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Horregatik, nire ustez Koldok du arrazoia, proposatzen dituen parentesiak kenduz gero. Asier ere bide horretatik doa, baina "batzuek neutraltasuna esaten diotenaren" horrek ez du adierazten esatariaren iritziz "oker" esaten dutela.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Nik proposatuko nukeena hauxe da, atrebentzia pixka batekin: "neutraltasunaren gaitzizenean, ez zaie erantzuten...". Jakina: horretarako, eta orokorrean ere, uste dut komenigarria litzatekeela "gaitzizen" izenari bere esanahi literala soilik ematea, eta ez, baita ere, "goitizen" esanahia.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Xabier Aristegieta<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div><div><div class="h5"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">LARRINAGA LARRAZABAL, ASIER<<a href="mailto:larrinaga_asier@eitb.eus" target="_blank">larrinaga_asier@eitb.eus</a><wbr>> igorleak hau idatzi zuen (2017(e)ko urria 20 13:12):<u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Nik honela ipiniko nuke:</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> «Batzuek neutraltasuna esaten diotenare izenean…».</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Asier Larrinaga Larrazabal</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm;border-color:currentColor currentColor"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" lang="EU">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" lang="EU"> Amaia Lasheras , ItzuL-en bidez [mailto:<a href="mailto:itzul@postaria.com" target="_blank">itzul@postaria.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> viernes, 20 de octubre de 2017 12:17<br><b>To:</b> ItzuL<br><b>Cc:</b> Amaia Lasheras<br><b>Subject:</b> [itzul] Mal llamada neutralidad</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><div><div id="m_7276877923445510330m_7070032276171737049yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1508490154556_24254"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black">Kaixo, </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div id="m_7276877923445510330m_7070032276171737049yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1508490154556_24268"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div id="m_7276877923445510330m_7070032276171737049yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1508490154556_24283"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black">Nola emango zenukete hori?</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div id="m_7276877923445510330m_7070032276171737049yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1508490154556_24313"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black">Testuingurua: </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div id="m_7276877923445510330m_7070032276171737049yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1508490154556_24321"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black">En nombre de la mal llamada neutralidad, no se responde expresamente a las necesidades de...</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div id="m_7276877923445510330m_7070032276171737049yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1508490154556_24336"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black"> 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