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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hara, lehen ez dut begiratu Orotarikoan, baina hau dakar:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Times","serif"">Hamabost
</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">(…)</span><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Times","serif""><o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Times","serif"">II
</span></b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Times","serif"">(Uso sust.).
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">(…)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Times","serif""><img width="8" height="11" id="Irudia_x0020_2" src="cid:image004.gif@01D363B0.5CDA7150" alt="http://www.euskaltzaindia.eus/images/stories/oeh/erronboa.gif"></span><b><i><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Times","serif"">3.</span></i></b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Times","serif"">
Quincena, período de quince días. "Decimos mucho en V <i>amabosta daroat emen, </i>
llevo aquí el (período de) quince" A <i>Morf</i> 248. "<i>Amust oroz</i> (S), tous les quinze jours" Lh. v.
<i>infra </i>HAMABOSTEAN BEHIN, HAMABOSTETIK. </span><img width="10" height="9" id="Irudia_x0020_1" src="cid:image005.gif@01D363B0.5CDA7150" alt="http://www.euskaltzaindia.eus/images/stories/oeh/izarra.gif"><i><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Times","serif"">Etzengiela
luzetu konfesiñoa amostik aurrera</span></i><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Times","serif"">. Añ
<i>LoraS</i> 38. <i>Hamabortz guziez egitekoak</i>. Dh 58. <i>Kofesa hamabortz guziez</i>. Ib. 58.
<i>Sarrantzeko aphez saintik / Dira zü bezañ jakintsik; / Haiek emanik amust oroz Jesüs errezebitzen dit</i>. 'Chaque quinze jours'. Etch 498.
<i>Amosten burian behar duke berhezi beste holako lekhu bat</i>. Arch <i>Gram</i> 121.
<i>Ezpeletan aspaldi merkatua bada; / [...] Biltzen du azienda hamabortz guzian, / Bertzerik ere saltzen hekin aitzakian</i>. Hb
<i>Esk</i> 115. <i>Ezpeletako merkatuan zeraman bere saltzapen izigarria, hamabortz guziez</i>. JE
<i>Bur</i> 60. <i>Aurtengo komerzioko hamabortza ere urbiltzen ari omen da</i>. Herr 19-8-1957 (ap.
<i>DRA</i>). </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Nominatiboan ere bai. Euskaltzaindiari ‘lekuzko kasu atzizkiekin’ aldatzeko eskatu beharko zaio.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">‘Azaroaren 25 guztietan’ abonatzeko, konturatu adibideetako “…guziez”, “…oroz”.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Azkenik, ‘azaroaren 25ero’ idazkera ez nuke erabiliko, ez baita erraz ikusten, esaldi baten barruan, -ero 25ekin bakarrik doan ala ez (semantikoki argi dago,
bestela ez); osagai bien lotura sendotzearren, erabiltzekotan, ‘azaroaren 25 oro’ idatziko nuke.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Jon<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Agirre Garai, Jon [mailto:jon-agirre@euskadi.eus]
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<b>Sent:</b> asteazkena, 2017.eko azaroak 22 16:22<br>
<b>To:</b> 'ItzuL'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [itzul] Cada 25 de noviembre<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Patxik arrazoia daukala uste dut. Nik, Asierrek bezala, ‘azaroaren 25 guztietan’ esango nuke. Naturalena, hala ere, Pelloren ‘urtero, azaroaren 25ean’ dela
esango nuke. Baina ‘azaroaren 25ero’ ezain samar horrek Euskaltzaindiaren ‘Iraupena eta maiztasuna adierazten duten sintagma zenbatzailedunetan mugatu singularra noiz erabil daitekeen’ 110. arauak dioena, bete, betetzen duela uste dut. Arauak azkenaldean
hau dio:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">— Maiztasuna adierazteko egituren artean,
<i>[izena + -ero]</i> gisako esamoldea onartzekoa da:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:13.5pt">{Astero, hilero, ordulaurdenero...} etortzen da.<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">Baina bada hedatuxea den egitura bat, gaitzestekoa dena:
<i>-ERO</i> atzizkiaren bidez osatua den <i>*[zenbatzailea + izena + -ero]</i> sintagma:
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:13.5pt">*Bi urtero egiten dute bilera batzordekoek.<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:13.5pt">*Hamabost egunero etortzen zait bisitan.<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">— Hamabostero, ordea, onartzekoa da,
<i>hamabostean behin</i> nahiz <i>hamabosterik behin</i>-en parean. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Beraz, izena ez baina izen sintagma (azaroaren 25a) izenaren parekotzat jo liteke, -ero erantsi ahal izateko.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Debekatzen duena, aurretik zenbatzailea jartzea da, eta ‘azaroaren 25a’k ez dauka zenbatzailerik aurretik (ez atzetik, 25a egunaren izena baita).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">‘Hamabostero’ onartzekoa dela dio, baina ez da salbuespena nire iritziz. Gure inguruan ‘hamabosta’ oso arrunta da ‘hamabostaldia’ esateko (“hamabosta pasau
dogu eguzkitan”). Hortik, izena+-ero izango litzateke, ez *zenbatzailea+izena+-ero. Euskaltzaindiaren Hiztegian agertzen den 5. adiera da, nahiz eta lekuzko kasu atzizkia eskatzen duen (gure inguruan nominatiboan ere erabiltzen da, adibidean bezala):<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="lehenlerroa"><b>hamabost</b> (…) <b>5</b> (<span class="notehb">Lekuzko kasu atzizkiekin</span>).
<span class="def">Hamabost eguneko epea adierazteko erabiltzen den hitza</span>. <span class="dicteg">
<i>Hamabostean behin bertsoak izaten ditugu igande gauean eta bazkalondoan. Hamabostetik hamabostera jaisten naun, larunbatetan, hire egarria, eta bide batez nirea, asetzearren</i></span>.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">‘Hamabostero’, beraz, baina, nire iritziz, ez *seiero, *zazpiro eta abar, sei, zazpi eta abar ez delako denborta-bitartea adierazten duen izena. Arraroegia
egiten zait zenbatzaileekin: izena+-ero, bai; baina zenbatzailea+-ero ezetz esango nuke.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Ondo izan,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Jon<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Patxi Petrirena Altzuguren [mailto:p.petrirena@elhuyar.eus]
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<b>Sent:</b> asteazkena, 2017.eko azaroak 22 15:15<br>
<b>To:</b> ItzuL<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [itzul] Cada 25 de noviembre<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Nik ez dut halako ondoriorik ateratzen arautik... Arauak gaitzesten dituen erabilera guztientzat badugu aukera "arrunt" bat:<o:p></o:p></p>
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"bi *orduro" --> "bi orduan behin" eta abar<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<p>Hemen hizpide dugun kasua ez da ageri arauan, nik ongi interpretatzen badut, eta ni ez naiz ausartzen desegokitzat jotzera (ez eta zurea ere, Asier: "azaroaren 25 guztietan").<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Bide batez esateko, ez da aspaldi Irene Aldasorori ikasi niola "etxero" honen berri:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Times","serif"">(OEH)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Times","serif"">3</span> <b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Times","serif"">etxero.
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<i>Ta etxero kantatzen zuan kopla, au omen zuan. </i>A. Zavala <i>in</i> Auspoa 61, 25.
<i>Emen </i>[Oiartzunen] <i>lenago etxero bastante izaten zen ardia. </i>Auspoa 119, 67.
<i>Gosea bezero / zegoan etxero, / ainbeste jenero / ondatu ta gero.</i> Insausti 251.
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<p class="MsoNormal">2017-11-22 14:07 GMT+01:00 LARRINAGA LARRAZABAL, ASIER <<a href="mailto:larrinaga_asier@eitb.eus" target="_blank">larrinaga_asier@eitb.eus</a>>:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> miércoles, 22 de noviembre de 2017 11:56<br>
<b>To:</b> ItzuL<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [itzul] Cada 25 de noviembre</span><span lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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