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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Betze esamolde bat:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">‘Ibai-ertz’ kronikagile gogoangarriak izkiriatu bezala (gutxi gorabehera):<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">“<b><i>Hemen, argalean pijo….. nolaz eta ezbeharrez lehenago garbitzen ezkeran…”</i></b><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Diez de Ultzurrun, Periko [mailto:ultzu@parlamento.eus]
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<b>Sent:</b> ostirala, 2019.eko martxoak 29 11:13<br>
<b>To:</b> ItzuL<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [itzul] ¿Te has pesado?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Gogoan izan dezagun.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Toponimian berean, badira etsenplu batzuk:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">“Andres Bota Zeneko Barga”<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Ez omen dago jakiterik zer egin zuen Andres urrikalgarriak, bere buruaz bertze ala erori…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Barrankesen artean “bota” eta “erori” sinonimo izan daitezkeelako.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Juan Garzia Garmendia [mailto:juangarzia@gmail.com]
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<b>Sent:</b> ostirala, 2019.eko martxoak 29 10:57<br>
<b>To:</b> ItzuL<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [itzul] ¿Te has pesado?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Bestela, espekulatzen hasita, uste dut komeni dela kontuan hartzea "garbitu naiz" zein "bota naiz" ez liratekeela anbiguoak, baina, hirugarren pertsonan bai noski, adiera arrunta ez baita bihurkaria: "garbitu da" (berez), "bota dira" (inpertsonala)...<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hau idatzi du Juan Garzia Garmendia (<a href="mailto:juangarzia@gmail.com">juangarzia@gmail.com</a>) erabiltzaileak (2019 mar. 29, or. (10:50)):<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">OEHn, BOTA era horretan erabiltzen den adibide bakanetan, esanahia "norbait erori" da, eta ez "norbaitek bere burua bota":<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Times","serif""><img border="0" id="_x0000_i1025" src="https://www.euskaltzaindia.eus/images/stories/oeh/erronboa.gif"><b><i>11.</i></b> (G-nav, AN-gulina-5vill, B, BN-lab-ciz, S). Ref.:
<i>EI</i> 267; Iz <i>Als; </i>Gte <i>Erd</i> 66, 67, 69. (Intrans.). Caerse. "<i>Bota in da,</i> se ha caído" Iz
<i>Als</i>. "<i>Kaderan gileko aldera bota zen</i> (B); se cayó hacia atrás, <i>gilen gañera bota zen</i> (B)" Gte
<i>Erd</i> 67. "<i>Aurra bulkatu du ta bota da</i> (B)" Ib. 69. </span><img border="0" id="_x0000_i1026" src="https://www.euskaltzaindia.eus/images/stories/oeh/izarra.gif"><i><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Times","serif"">Baserreka beiti ondoraño
juan zen, emen bota an itzulipurdi; alde guzietarik joa, ubeldua, larrutua eta ezindua</span></i><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Times","serif"">. FIr 147.
<i>An ikasi zuen, bere laguna gaizki zauritua bide madarikatu artan bota zela</i>. 148. </span>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hau idatzi du koro navarro (<a href="mailto:navarro.koro@gmail.com" target="_blank">navarro.koro@gmail.com</a>) erabiltzaileak (2019 mar. 28, og. (22:09)):<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">eta <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Bota zaitez igerilekura (<i>Bota zure/zeure burua igerilekura</i> suizidatzeko da).
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<p class="MsoNormal">Guretzat <i>zeure burua </i>esatea gauza nabarmena da, alegia, ez da espainolezko erreflexiboaren ordain automatikoa.
<i>Garbitu</i> esate baterako: Euskaltzaindiaren hiztegian, du/da aditza. Eta adibidea:
<span class="gmail-m1224072331132379572gmail-m2347643547719182803gmail-dicteg"><i>Garbi zaitez iturrian
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<p class="MsoNormal">El jue., 28 mar. 2019 a las 13:15, Xabier Aristegieta (<<a href="mailto:allurritza@gmail.com" target="_blank">allurritza@gmail.com</a>>) escribió:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Pisatzeko balantzara ere salto egiten duzue?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Xabier Aristegieta<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hau idatzi du Pello Goikoetxea (Pello_Goikoetxea@donostia.eus) erabiltzaileak (2019 mar. 28, og. (13:08)):<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Hor ez dago zalantzarik niretzat; piszinara salto egin besterik ez dugu esaten.</span>
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<b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Pello Goikoetxea</span></b>
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<span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#5F5F5F">Nork: </span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">"Xabier Aristegieta" <<a href="mailto:allurritza@gmail.com" target="_blank">allurritza@gmail.com</a>></span>
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<span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#5F5F5F">Nori: </span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">"ItzuL" <<a href="mailto:itzul@postaria.com" target="_blank">itzul@postaria.com</a>></span>
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<span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#5F5F5F">Data: </span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">28/03/2019 13:05</span>
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<span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#5F5F5F">Gaia: </span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Re: [itzul] ¿Te has pesado?</span>
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"Piszinara, salto egin", bai. Edo "zoaz piszinara". Edo "zatoz piszinara". Edo "murgildu zaitez piszinan".
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Izan ere, modu asko daude zalantza sortzen digun horretatik ihes egiteko. <br>
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Baina nik zalantzari heldu nahi nion. <br>
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Xabier Aristegieta <br>
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Hau idatzi du Pello Goikoetxea (Pello_Goikoetxea@donostia.eus) erabiltzaileak (2019 mar. 28, og. (13:02)):
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Piszinara salto egin. Egin ezan/k salto piszinara.</span>
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<b>Errorea! Ez da fitxategi-izenik adierazi.Errorea! Ez da fitxategi-izenik adierazi.</b><br>
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<span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#5F5F5F">Nork:
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<span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#5F5F5F">Nori:
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Nola esaten duzue hori? <o:p></o:p></p>
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Pisatu duzu zure burua?<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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Nola esango zenukete "¡tírate a la piscina!"? <o:p></o:p></p>
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Bota ezazu zure burua igerilekura!<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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Ezen, Euskaltzaindiaren Hiztegiaren arabera, pisatu eta bota aditzek NOR-NORK aditz-laguntzailea besterik ez dute onartzen...
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Xabier Aristegieta <o:p></o:p></p>
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